Thursday, August 28, 2008

Troublemaker?

Yesterday I missed Joe Biden's speech.  I was on the phone with Ms. F for about 45 minutes talking about Tyler and her frustrations with him.  It seems his teacher is at her wit's end and isn't sure what to do to get him to use appropriate behavior in the classroom.  Though he was threatened before, yesterday was the first time she's actually called me.  

Shawn and I have been very concerned about this situation.  And it's new to us, as both of our boys have always been well behaved for us.  I don't have to raise my voice with them (very often)... we take them anywhere we want to and know that they'll cooperate... they're sweet and sensitive and caring... we enjoy spending time with them and others seem to, also.  We get complimented on their behavior in places like art museums and restaurants, where kids tend to be a bit rowdy.  They've always obeyed grown~ups ~ even friends and neighbors.  

Perhaps we've gotten too comfortable or have grown to expect more of them than you'd expect of boys.  But when I send them to school, I expect them to exhibit the same tendencies and habits that we experience at home and in our daily lives.

So when Tyler was coming home each day talking about losing 5 minutes or an entire recess (and sometimes two recesses), I was shocked.  We have talked and talked about how important school is and how we can't learn anything if we're talking when Ms. F is talking.  We've talked about respecting grown ups and obeying when asked to be quiet.  We've talked about how we know he's capable of behaving appropriately.  About a time and a place to talk and have fun with friends.

We've come up with a positive and negative reinforcement system.  He'll earn special priveledges when he hasn't gotten any of his recess taken away, but conversely if he loses an entire recess (which means he's gotten in trouble twice), he is grounded that night.  Admittedly, we've not been great at enforcing the grounding...

... because we were starting to think he had been singled out.  We've questioned and tried to understand the circumstances during which he's getting reprimanded.   We feel we know our child and that this behavior is not typical.  He's starting to say he doesn't like school and wants to be home all the time, which is never something he's expressed.  He's always loved school and excelled.  He's said that he feels like his teacher is yelling at him and that she doesn't like him (he's very sensitive about this anyway).  

Shawn and I have both seen situations where a kid was labeled a "troublemaker" or a "bad seed" or whatever and the teacher's attitude toward that kid was never the same afterwards.  We were starting to think that had happened here because Tyler's not shy and he gets along so easily with everyone... 

So when the phone rang and it was Ms. F on the other end, I stepped outside to take the call a bit on the defensive.  We're trying to enforce her rules from home, which is difficult because we're trusting him to tell us when he's gotten warnings or lost recess.  We're hearing about behavior that we really haven't witnessed.  And we're concerned about possible labels that our child has gotten.

Ms. F seemed very concerned about Tyler.  I could hear the frustration in her voice.  She's not dealt with behavior issues that she couldn't modify before.  She wanted to make sure Tyler was communicating with us about his problems at school and that we were dealing with it appropriately.  I talked to her about our actions and my own frustration with the situation that was new to me.  I opined about what I thought was the cause of this... a combination of having a hard time getting into a structured environment (which he didn't have all summer and really not in first grade either if we're being completely honest here) ... and perhaps part of it being immaturity as he's one of the youngest in his class.  

I talked to her about my concerns about recess removal being a punishment because that's the only outlet he has during the day for his talkative personality.  I voiced my concerns about labels and stigmas.  

She said all the right things and voiced concerns that mirrored mine.  She does seem, after only two weeks, to genuinely care about our son.  But at the same point, his behavior is deviant and distracting and can't continue.  

He has been moved to another desk, away from the best friend from last year, though she usually doesn't accommodate things like this.  I suggested it might be best for him to be moved to a seat alone, away from other kids altogether.  Already, his first day at a new desk, he's gotten another boy in trouble that sits next to him.  One that normally hadn't gotten in trouble.  This leads me to believe that it he IS exhibiting the behavior he's been punished for.  Ms. F didn't want to move him to a desk alone, even temporarily until he gets used to this new structured environment.  She said she would, though, if I thought it was best and we compromised with waiting a couple more days to see how it goes at the desk he just moved to.  She's promised to email me daily to let me know how things went so I don't have to rely on his honesty.  

I'm still feeling pretty helpless, though.  Shawn and I discussed ways we can help her more at home by being stricter in our punishment and staying more on top of the situation.  I'd like to go and spend time in the classroom so I can witness what's happening... but she thinks that I wouldn't witness what she does in that scenario.  I know in the grand scheme of things, this could be so much worse.  The behavior that requires modification could be violent in nature...  But I feel this is serious enough to take action now, before he is labeled and future teachers dread having him in their classroom.  And even Gavin, too ~ I've seen siblings be set up for failure because of big brother's or sister's interactions with teachers.

I don't want to stifle his life and his spirit ~ he has a fantastic personality and is well liked and I think that will serve him well in life.  But I'm baffled at how to teach him, from a distance, to behave appropriately and respect his teacher.  What we're doing is clearly not working.  

If you're still reading and have any advice or input, I'd gladly eat up whatever you can share with me.

15 comments:

Forsythia said...

I have no advice, but just a thought or two. It sounds to me as if you two have done great with your boys. You do all kinds of things together and your rules and standards for their behavior seems to be based the principals of kindness and consideration for others.

Perhaps Tyler has a fusspot for a teacher. If so, that's unfortunate, but you can let him in on a little secret--some people are like that, and you just have to go along to get along, and to get to go out for recess. Tell him that the trick is to avoid attracting her attention. He's gotta learn how to fly under her radar Above all, home is a place where we go to kick back. I'd talk to him about how his day went, but I wouldn't let this woman reach into your home by grounding him.

I thinks school can be hard on boys. I think they'd rather "build a raft and mess around on the river" all day.

Anonymous said...

(Remember, as you read this, that I come from a family of teachers.)

Some thoughts:

Taking away recess time is not the best form of disipline. Well, maybe a couple of minutes, but not on a daily basis and definitely not the entire recess. Losing multiple recesses is VERY inappropriate.

If the teacher does not agree with this, it is within your rights to take it to the principal. While the school might think differently, YOU are the final authority on what happens to your child.

I suggest that someone observe Tyler in the classroom -- possibly the guidance counselor. I also recommend that the counselor have a session with Tyler to see what's going on in his head. Is he reacting to something in his life?

Her Grace said...

I tend to disagree with her statement that you wouldn't see his behavior, though. You might not at first, sure, but if you scheduled maybe three or four mornings over a week or so, he's eventually forget/get used to the idea you were there. It would also give you a chance to see the teacher in action. A social worker, like Jen said, would be a good solution too. But she likely has her hands full with her own caseload at this point.

You know you son, and if this truly seems like behavior that's way outside the norm for him, then something is up. I think you're doing a good job of staying on it, but until you see it for yourself, you'll just have to take her word for it about his behavior.

MamaGeek @ Works For Us said...

WARNING: I have no experience with kids in school (excluding myself).

I'm certain this difficult. How could it not. Sometimes a little guidance and a little time will make all the difference Amy.

Above all, follow your gut, YOU KNOW HIM BETTER THAN ANYONE.

Jennifer said...

I don't have any advice but I will echo that taking recess away from a little boy (and especially a boy, yes) is really very counterproductive. In fact, perhaps *more* scheduled time away from sitting in his desk would be a good idea. I don't know...I don't know your boy or the teacher. But, off the cuff, if this behavior is so highly off track from what *you* know of your son...I'd tend to think it's, perhaps, a problem the teacher grabbed and is overly-sensitive to, at this point. Not that it would help the situation at all, even if this is the case, but maybe you and Tyler can learn to work with this teacher and her expectations rather than working so much on changing *him*?

But, isn't it a bit early in the year for her to be "so" concerned and to have "such" a problem with this??

Jennifer said...

p.s. Biden's speech on You Tube is worth watching!! ;)

thirtysomething said...

Oh, Hon.
I am right there with you. Jacob has been one to act up at school or talk too much and at risk for being labeled.
Basically I have always made it quite clear to him from the first day that he WILL experience consequences at home for bad behavior at school. The follow-through can be rough at first, but once you put your foot down, things run more smoothly.

2nd grade is a tougher year academically and the teachers have to step it up a bit to prepare for 3rd, which is a gateway year, the first year for EOGs, 'real' letter grades, and more. I have gone so far as to let teachers know in no uncertain terms, that if Jacob needed to suffer a day of ISS, well then he would have plenty of time to think. I am there to support them. Natural consequences seem to play a real role here in helping kids understand that school is serious business, unless the teacher has made an exception. It is just as much about learning respect, obeying rules and authority - something we all have to do to some extent in the "real world".

I so feel you though, about wondering if Tyler has been singled out. But my instinct is to say probably not - especially if the teacher cared enough to call you at home and get your input. Chances are he is just rebuking a bit at the new structure and testing boundaries. Children crave definite boundaries, it increases their security and then they can calm down b/c they know undoubtedly what to expect and that people are paying attention and care enough to help them.

Hang in there. The stronger you are, the less you cave in, the more he will improve at school and respect you at the same time. Tyler is a good boy, he knows you guys love him fiercely, you really do not have anything to worry about.

Hope I didn't offer more than my share! Or offend in any way! It is just that I have been through this for a few years with Jacob, who is now in 5th. His teacher and I remained in daily email contact last year and that really showed him that we were on the same team and that his behavior was not going to be tolerated.

Hugs!

Natalia said...

That sounds so rough. I agree with others that you know your son best. You ARE a good mom so I am sure you and shawn will find a way to tackel this situation taking into account what will work best for his personality. Good luck!

Tori said...

How unlike Tyler this is...! This is strange.
Mmm I tend to agree that you should look into it further. Perhaps he and this teacher just rub each other up the wrong way and now that he's been labeled 'trouble maker', he is going to live up to it....almost like that's his role in the class. Since it's all new and only two weeks into school, you can nip this one in the bud. This is so sad Amy. Once #3 had a teacher who just totally misunderstood her and took her exuberance to be a nuisance where other teachers have embraced it. The only thing I can say is agree that you should teach him to fly under her radar...
She has earmarked him that's for sure. I think it is really so early for her to make such a huge fuss about a kids behavior.....
Take it to the next level though if she keeps this shit up!

ellen said...

Wow. As you know I have a very active boy myself who does get in trouble at school from time to time because he won't stop talking. I can relate, they used to call me Little Yellin' Ellen. I end up talking to his teacher throughout the year and Simon seems to make it. I wish I could answer this problem for you. Tell you it's the teacher over reacting, Tyler testing boundaries or showing off, but I don't know. What does Tyler say about it?

Anonymous said...

I don't have any real good advice--mostly just cyber hugs because I KNOW how difficult this can be! (see my posts from Nov-May this past year--hahaha) I echo Jen's advice on getting a guidance counselor involved (they can be very creative and effective) and daily contact either email or signed note from a teacher. I don't think kids lie, but I think they live in a different reality than adults so I wouldn't rely on T to keep you in the loop 100%. I also agree that recess privileges are not a good thing to lose--so I think you should come up with another way to enforce the law.

Good luck, honey!

Cheffie-Mom said...

I have been in this same situation and my advice is TRUST YOUR CHILD and follow your heart.

S said...

I wonder if you might ask the principal to send a third party into the classroom to observe what is going on with Tyler. Someone who'd be objective, so that you can get the facts. Does the school have a behavioral support system? If so, I'd take advantage of it.

I agree with other commenters that school and boy behaviors don't always mix. Right now my Six has a teacher who is said to favor girls, because they don't engage in as much "out-of-seat" behavior.

Good luck, Amy.

MamaGeek @ Works For Us said...

Hey, checking in, hope all is well Amy..

Ice Cream said...

I'm so glad things are going better for him. It is so hard when you aren't there to see what is happening. My son was having problems when he started public school last year and it was hard to get through, but we finally found our way out of it. I'm still trying to write a post about it but I want to do it just right.

Anyway, I hope things continue to improve.